Oral Deposition of Vicki J. Aznaran (June 22, 1988)

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

VICKI J. AZNARAN AND
RICHARD N. AZNARAN

VERSUS

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF CALIFORNIA, INC.;
CHURCH OF SPIRITUAL TECHNOLOGY, INC.;
SCIENTOLOGY MISSIONS INTERNATIONAL, INC.;
RELIGIOUS TECHNOLOGY CENTER, INC.;
AUTHOR SERVICES, INC.;
CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY INTERNATIONAL, INC.;
CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF LOS ANGELES, INC.;
MISSION OFFICE WORLDWIDE;
AUTHOR FAMILY TRUST;
THE ESTATE OF L. RON HUBBARD;
DAVID MISCAVIGE;
AND
NORMAN STARKEY

NO. CV 88-1786-WDK

ORAL DEPOSITION OF VICKI J. AZNARAN

On the 22nd day of June, 1988, at 10:00 a.m., the oral deposition of the above-named witness was taken at the instance of the Defendants before Roger W. Miller, Certified Shorthand Reporter in and for the State of Texas, at the offices of Cohan, Simpson, Cowlishaw, Aranza & Wulff, in the City of Dallas, County of Dallas, State of Texas, pursuant the agreement hereinbefore set forth.

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APPEARANCES

Appearing for the Plaintiffs

CUMMINS & WHITE
1600 Wilshire Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90017-1695

Appearing for Defendant Author Services, Inc.

Mr. Michael Lee Hertzberg
275 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10016

Appearing for Defendant Religious Technology

COOLEY, MANION, MOORE & JONES
Russia Wharf West
530 Atlantic Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02210

By: Mr. Earle Cooley

Also present:

Mr. Aron C. Mason
Mr. Mark Rathbun

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because I was just doing missions.

Q    Who was the head of the CMO at that time?

A    Part of the time, John Nelson was, and part of the time Dee Dee Residorf’s sister, but I can’t think of her name.  Gail.

Q    Gail Reisdorf or Gail —

A    The mother of —

Q    Irwin, Gail Irwin?

A    Yes.

Q    Now, although — did you destroy these documents in the Guardian’s Office on your own origination or were you ordered to do so?

A    Ordered to do so.

Q    And who ordered you to do so?

A    Steve Marlowe.  M-a-r-l-o-w-e, I believe.

Q    Now, you also testified that in 1984 you removed documents from Gerald Armstrong’s PC folder to keep these documents from going to court. Remember that?

A    Yes.

Q    Were you a Deputy IG — Deputy Inspector General at the Religious Technology Center at that time?

A    Or Inspector General.

Q    Or Inspector General?  And did you have

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custody and control of Armstrong’s PC folder?

A    I did for a certain time period, yes.

Q    During what time period?

A    I don’t remember.  Might have been 1985 or sometime in 1984.

Q    Well, now, in what case were these PC folders going to court?

A    I believe it was a suit that the church had brought against Jerry Armstrong.

Q    The suit that the church brought against Armstrong?

A    I think so.

Q    And did you remove these documents from Mr. Armstrong’s PC folder on your own origination or on somebody’s instructions?

A    I can’t remember exactly how it came about.  The folders were with the Office of Special Affairs, and there was — I think that Judge Breckenridge had ordered them turned over.  And I was informed by this — of this by someone at OSA, and I am not positive right now who informed me of the Judge’s order.  And seems like there was a meeting or something about it or — I’m really not real clear on how it started.  And then I had the PC folders brought over to RTC in LA, where I went

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through them and removed things from them.  And some of those things I destroyed, and some of them I put away or gave to someone in OSA, I believe.

Q    My question is:    Did you do that own your own origination or did somebody order you to do it?

A    Well, I believe I was told to do it, but I can’t remember who, right now.

Q    Do you recall that, during that period of time, you had two positions, your position at RTC and the position of CO, OSA Int.?

A    No, I wasn’t CO, OSA Int. at that time.

Q    When were you commanding officer of OSA Int.?

A    I believe it was for two or three months in late — in 1984.

Q    Which two or three months?

A    I don’t honestly recall.  I think it was late, like October.  No, November, maybe September, October, November.

Q    Did you ever inform Gerald Armstrong that you did this?

A    No.

Q    Did you ever inform Michael Flynn that you did this?

A    No.

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STATE OF TEXAS )
COUNTY OF DALLAS )

I, Roger W. Miller, Certified Shorthand Reporter in and for the State of Texas, certify that the foregoing deposition of VICKI J. AZNARAN was reported stenographically by me at the time and place indicated, said witness having been placed under oath by me, and that the deposition is a true record of the testimony given by the witness.

I further certify that I am neither counsel for nor related to any party in this cause and am not financially interested in its outcome.

Given under my hand and seal of office on this the 22nd day of June, 1988.

[signed Roger W. Miller]
Roger W. Miller, Certified
Shorthand Reporter No. 1357 in
and for the State of Texas
Stanley, Harris, Rice, Cogburn,
Stunkard, Miller & Associates, Inc.
3100 McKinnon, Suite 1000
Dallas, Texas 75201

My commission expires December 31, 1988.

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